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The FPI Files: A New Play Journey at Outside In Theatre

LA-based playwright Jami Brandli is a longtime LAFPI Instigator who we’ve heard from before as Guest Blogger and on Alyson Mead’s Podcast, “What She Said.” (We miss you, Alyson!)

And we’ve been a fan of Jami’s and her beautiful play “O: A Rhapsody in Divorce” for a long time now. We’ve followed it over the years and are thrilled to see it’s now receiving a world premiere at LA’s Outside In Theatre.

Not a spoiler alert: This is a play that’s a modern, femme re-imaging of The Odyssey, which of course is a story about… a journey.

We love that.

But as playwrights, we were also curious about the journey of the play itself, from inception to this beautiful production, directed by Jessica Hanna. I mean, sometimes the journey is much longer than expected, right?

So we were delighted to listen in to a Playwrights Union Podcast where, in part, Jami and Jessica talked about just that. A lightly edited transcript of an excerpt is below. (Thank you, Jami for sharing!)

Playwright Jami Brandli

Jami Brandli: And where do we start?

At the end of 2015, [Jessica Hanna] and I both experienced the life change of our marriages disintegrating. And we both began a couch hopping odyssey throughout Los Angeles. Mine lasted about six months and Jess’ lasted two years. We started talking and basically the conversation started from there!

At the time, I was very much in the world of my play, “BLISS (or Emily Post is Dead!)” where I take Clytemnestra, Medea, Antigone, Apollo, and Cassandra and I put them in 1960, New Jersey. So Jess and I met up for drinks around the holidays and talked. And then I sent a late night text that said, “What about a female Odysseus play?” And Jess was like, YEAH!

But I was in this emotional storm. So I wrote a lot ideas down.

Meanwhile, over the course of next couple of years—especially in 2018—I wound up having a few productions and one of them was “BLISS (or Emily Post is Dead!)” in LA in the fall of 2018. But before the production, the Playwrights Union Challenge came up in February—where you write a play in a month. And I was like, You know what? I’m going to write this play!

I probably wrote half of “O: A Rhapsody in Divorce” in February. But I was determined to finish the play by June 2018, because too many signs were out there. Like people that I knew were having problems with their relationships. And Jess was super energetic.

And so, I finished the play and the very first reading of this play was in June of 2018 for Playwrights Union’s First Peek Reading Series.

Donna Simone Johnson, Andrew Brian Carter, Tania Verafield in “O: A Rhapsody in Divorce” – photo by Mallury Patrick

Jess directed it. Donna Simone Johnson, an amazing actor, was in that reading, and Donna is in the production now.

And then this play went on its own odyssey, if you will. Truly its own odyssey of getting workshops and then readings and an almost-production at Sacred Fools in 2020.

Then we had a big development opportunity with Inkwell Theater in 2023, which gave us three weeks with Jess as the director. And then finally it landed at Outside In Theatre, but there was a delay in the opening. But you will see that Andrew Brian Carter, who is in the production, has been in several of these readings.

It’s been an amazing journey. And so I’ll pass it to Jess.

Director Jessica Hanna

Jessica Hanna: So we’ve had a lot of actors come in and then tap out.

The generosity of all the actors over the course of what is now almost eight years has contributed to the evolution—the development—of this play. They are in the DNA of this play forever.

After the Inkwell workshop, in 2024 we did a workshop at Outside In in 2024 in a way that I’ve done now a couple times with new plays. Over the course of a week, we did three full days of work, but with time in between for playwright to write. Each day we had an entirely different cast and they were all “new play” people.

We were like: Let’s have conversation around this. Let’s read. Let’s talk. Let’s ask questions. In my opinion, working that way gives the playwright a chance to hear their words coming out of different mouths over the course of a week. So know if an actor keep saying a line in that way and the playwright doesn’t want them to, then the playwright needs to look at that line. As opposed to, me—the director—thinking: Oh, I need to give that actor a note.

This kind of workshop really keeps the focus on the play, as opposed to on day three, the actors are really getting into it. That’s a different kind of workshop.

For this kind of workshop we wanted to work with actors who come in and read a part but also hear the whole play and want to talk about it and want to give to this process. Can you come into a room and be part of the collaborative effort around a discussion of what are you hearing in this play? How is that coming out of you? Did you get that off the page? What are the ways that you can help a playwright? Because that’s the gift, to help the playwright to hear the play they’ve written.

Go Here to Listen to the Complete Playwrights Union Podcast

Andrew Brian Carter, Rose Portillo, Tania Verafield, Alexandra Lee , Donna Simone Johnson – photo by Mallury Patrick

“O: A Rhapsody in Divorce,” written by Jami Brandli and directed by Jessica Hanna, runs at the Outside In Theatre in Highland Park through June 16. For more information and to purchase tickets go to Outside In Theatre (and use Discount Code PIE20)

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The FPI Files: I am a Narrative: Kacie Rogers on Her Solo Show, “I Sell Windows”

by Elana Luo

A couple years ago, Kacie Rogers was anonymously nominated for the Free The Arts Shay Fellowship, a paid opportunity to write and develop a solo piece. She seized the chance, and wrote a five minute submission piece. A few weeks later, she found out that she had gotten the fellowship. And thus—her solo show I Sell Windows was born.

I Sell Windows, co-produced by Outside In Theatre & Bottle Tree Theatre (Kacie is one of the company’s co-founders), is an autobiographical collection of stories and reflections written and performed by Kacie. The anecdotes work through an artist’s experience of frustration and guilt, and let us be privy to a journey of self-discovery through grief. 

After seeing a performance of I Sell Windows, I called Kacie to chat about the process of putting it together. As the show’s writer, producer and performer, Kacie and her personal collection of experiences are its driving force. Among other things, we talk about theater as therapy, the joys of working with great creative collaborators and writing about the things that scare you most.

Elana Luo: Let’s start at the beginning. Tell me about coming up with the idea for this show.

Kacie Rogers: What I was always interested in was writing all of the scariest things I could think of that I’ve never thought I could say in front of a roomful of people. Stories that were the most interesting, or formative for me in one way or another. So that was my approach. Because theater, in so many ways, has been such a home for me, and such a place where I have channeled a countless amount of emotions through characters. I just always wondered what it would be like to stand up there and do it as myself. I think it’s an act of bravery. I thought it would be very cathartic.

Kacie Rogers in “I Sell Windows” – photo by JJ Hawkins

But I was also terrified that people would hate me. And so I was like, well, I need a collaborator. If I’m going to write all these scary things, I need a collaborator who I can trust, and I will always know that she loves me enough. There’s nothing too scary for me to say in front of her.

Elana: Was that Jaquita Ta’le, the director? And she’s also a co-founder of your company, Bottle Tree Theatre?

Kacie: Yes. She would guide me to what was interesting to her and away from things that didn’t seem like they were serving the narrative. I remember for a long time she was like, we just have to find a container.

Elana: An umbrella of sorts.

Kacie: Yeah. One thing I did trust is that  all these stories are coming from one common place. That common place is me. Ultimately, all we are as human beings are walking stories. So at some point if I just write down all these stories, I’m going to find a narrative somewhere, linear or non-linear. I am a narrative. And so I just kind of allowed myself to to write whatever and then trust that we would find a container. 

Elana: And what did you find?

Kacie: It’s so interesting—the container ended up being window selling, yes, but ultimately, it’s the death of my grandfather. A common factor of a lot of the stories was the guilt and frustration I feel around being imperfect, and unforgiveness around missing my grandfather’s death because of my desire to serve my artistry rather than going to serve my family. That was a huge revelation for me.

Kacie Rogers in “I Sell Windows” – photo by JJ Hawkins

Elana: Once you had all these stories and their container, what was developing the piece like?

Kacie: It’s so deeply personal, every single part of it. It’s really hard. There’s a lot of self doubt that is all over this process, because it is me–performing me, writing me, about me. So it’s very, very vulnerable. And you constantly want to change things, because you’re like, maybe people aren’t responding to me, you know? Maybe I should “do me” differently. And that’s really hard.

Elana: Has there been anything that has helped you deal with that?

Kacie: I think I’m actively learning to deal with it. I have the best team around me. Like really top to bottom. Jaquita, Jessica [Hanna, Producing Artistic Director of Outside In Theatre] and Chelsea [Boyd, Co-Founder of Bottle Tree Theatre]; Arlo [Sanders], Paul [Hungerford] and Matthew [Pitner] from Outside In; my stage manager Arielle [Hightower] and my puppeteers [Brittaney Talbot and Perry Daniel]… all of those people are so affirming at every step of the way. They have been so selfless in all the ways that they are willing to throw themselves into the work because they believe in it so deeply. And if anything has helped me to quell those doubts, it’s been looking around me and being so humbled and so encouraged by the endless amounts of work and heaps of appreciation that they have gifted me with.

Elana: That’s beautiful.

Kacie: I’m so thankful. But outside of that, I think it’s really important to accept that your thing does not have to be for everybody. You can be fully you, and your thing can be fully your thing, and be amazing at being your thing, and still not be for somebody else. And that’s okay. I think that’s a big learning curve. So that’s the lesson I’m currently trying to speak into myself.

Jessica Hanna (Producer), Jaquita Ta’le (Director), Kacie Rogers, Chelsea Boyd (Producer), Brittaney Talbot (Puppet Designer_Performer), Perry Daniels (Puppet Performer), Arielle Hightower (Stage Manager) after “I Sell Windows” opening – photo by Mallury P

Elana: Moving along in the process, will you tell me a little about producing the show? How did it make it onstage at Outside In?

Kacie: In 2022, Jacquita found an opportunity with Greenway Court Theatre. They were looking to help produce a show, so she submitted I Sell Windows. We didn’t get that opportunity, but they gave us another opportunity to do a one-night-only performance as a part of their Jam Poetry Festival. So I did that last year.

And Jessica Hanna—she directed me in a play years ago and we just kept in touch because we’re both big theater gals. I knew Jess had taken several shows to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, so I invited her to a coffee to pick her brain about what that process is like. It just so happened that the one-night-only presentation of I Sell Windows was within the next couple of weeks, so I invited her to see the show. She ended up coming, and I remember her walking out and being like, “let’s meet this week.” From there, she was like, “I’m starting a theater company. I want to produce your show. I want to give it a run and then I want to take it to Edinburgh!”

Elana: Wow.

Kacie: It was just like that. It was one of those dreamy meetings where everything you ever want to happen, happened.

Bottle Tree Theatre’s Chelsea Boyd, Kacie Rogers and Jaquita Ta’le – photo by JJ Hawkins

Elana: You’ve been lucky, but you’ve also been prepared.

Kacie: Chelsea Boyd always says, “All things will come together with ease and joy.” We just kind of keep doing the work, showing up and taking the opportunities that fall in front of us, and as we have it, truly all things have kind of come together with ease and joy. And I’m so thankful for that.

“I Sell Windows” plays through June 17th at Outside In Theatre’s ArtBox. Visit outsideintheatre.org/i-sell-windows for tickets and information.

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